Who or what around you has shaped your outlook the most? Is that friends you would graffiti write with, is it that kind of crowd that you'd be around? Or is it more a mix of the world like you just spoke of?

You mean like my personal style?

Just how you approach anything. So not necessarily style but how you approach a sculpture, your process or how you like dressing yourself each day, is there a single thread that ties it all together? And is there someone or a group of people that's influenced that?

Yeah, it sounds kind of a bit corny to say, but I think I haven't really, since I started like having a personal style or like way to be in the world. It hasn't changed a lot since I was probably 15, which, you know, I think my folks or you know people kind of laugh at me, they'll be like, are you dressing like you used to? But I don't know if you find something that you like and that resonates with you and feels authentic, lean into it, rather than like following trends... and it's funny, you know, because of the cyclical nature of trends anyway. I think I've kind of been trendy once or twice for a few years over the... since I was 15 or whatever. So at the moment I kind of am. How long will it last? Haha Idon't know. Yeah.

Okay. So then off that what does Carhartt mean to you if anything?

It definitely means a lot to me actually. Ralph Lauren and Carhartt are probably the two biggest things in my wardrobe and have been since we, me and my buddies started getting hip hop magazines that had graffiti in them when we were younger. I keep on harkening back to those times but I draw a lot of inspiration from the work people were doing back then and like I said, you kind of find something that kind of crosses over between clothes that I can wear out in day to day life, go out to dinner, then come into the studio and still rock in the studio, it holds up and I can wash a bunch of times, I don't have to throw it away after five washes. Yeah, it means a lot to me and me and my friends.

That’s a perfect lay up. Some people wear carhartt to work and some wear it to make a statment, where do you sit on that spectrum? Or are you not even on that spectrum?

Yeah, yeah, haha, I'm not on that spectrum. I'm definitely on a few spectrums. But as far as the division between workwear and streetwear and even dresswear, I rock it all over those areas of my life. And I think Carhartt is awesome like that. It's built like that anyway.

Is there anything specific that resonates with you about Carhartt? is it the function, the feel, the fit or even like some part of the history that you mentioned? Or is it just kind of all encompassing?

I mentioned in my practice, I draw a lot from nostalgia and Carhartt probably overall as a brand has that nostalgic feel for me. Sorry, I forgot the question haha.